54 comments. 1 in all-time goals with 894 and Ovechkin has 706 and realistically has a shot at catching Gretzky if he can stay in one piece and doesn’t have a major injury. Ovi currently has 600 goals. Side-by-side: Gretzky was a sniper who possessed one of the most accurate slap shots the world has ever seen, while Ovechkin is a volume shooter and the best power-play goal scorer of all time. That left him with 558 career goals as he finished his 31-year-old season. Ovechkin, who has averaged 0.61 goals per game, would have to score at the same pace for another 344 games -- the equivalent of more than four full NHL seasons -- to pass Gretzky. The Penguins captain is the serious, calculated, pass-first genius who surveys the ice like a chessboard, thinking moves ahead like Gretzky. So whether or not Ovechkin breaks 900 (which is impossible barring some significant rule changes) is mostly irrelevant to the discussion of who is the greatest goal scorer. Gretzky was great and all that, but he did most of his scoring in a time where the superstar barely got touched and the goalies where a steaming pile of horse crap compared to today. Had he started his career in 1979-80, Jaromir Jagr would have scored 909 goals in 1,664 games, which is 15 more than Gretzky's record of 894. Even before the pandemic hit, time was not on Ovechkin's side. However, Gretzky was just 29 years old when he became a member of the 700-club, five years younger than Ovechkin when he achieved this great milestone. User account menu. To me, the only way to compare is to see what the guy did in comparison to the rest of the league at the time. 32 (2017-18): 45. Ovechkin is currently 33 and … Press J to jump to the feed. Gretzky was further ahead of his peers than Ovi is his. However, according to Sportsnet Stats, even if no more regular season games are played this season, it’s still well within the realm of reality that Ovechkin can surpass Gretzky. He wont be able to match the totals of previous players for obvious reasons but in his generation hes been far and away the most prolific. To put this in perspective, he could have an average year this year (for him) and this could be his peak year. But let’s more realistically put Ovechkin at last year’s 51 goals when this season is done. He is only 133 away. In 1990-1991 Brett Hull had 86 goals and second place had 51 so he had ~69% more than second place. Junior Dos Santos fight card, a foregone conclusion Ovechkin will pass Gretzky, Individualized goal songs could be the way of the future in the NHL, Watch Alex Ovechkin Pass Mario Lemieux for 10th on NHL's All-Time Goal List, Defenseman John Carlson is the NHL's surprise points leader so far, The Washington Capitals have a goalie controversy on their hands. Ovechkin has scored 501 goals in 801 games, which comes out to .625 goals per game. But he had a league-leading 51 goals last year and, albeit altered by those eight goals in his last three games, he’s on pace to score 56 goals this season. Bossy will always have the what-if factor but longevity is a big thing and who knows if Bossy would have kept scoring at the rate he did. I mean, if Ovechkin scores 70 this year, that will be impressive, but it will be less impressive if there's 8 guys with 60. Health will of course be key for Ovechkin for him to have any chance to pass Gretzky, as will maintaining a high level of production. Speaking at the All-Star Game, Gretzky told NHL.com : "There's no question in my … Close. The more interesting question then comes whether or not Ovechkin can do the unthinkable and break Gretzky’s all-time goal record of 894. ... help Reddit App Reddit coins Reddit premium Reddit gifts. With eight goals over a three-game stretch last week, including back-to-back hat tricks, Alex Ovechkin became a top-10 goal scorer in NHL history. Powered by Minute Media © 2021 All Rights Reserved. Led the league the most times ever, and also left early. Ovechkin is doing things nobody else is doing. He would actually break the record at 1,430 games with 895 goals. I feel like Gretzky played in an easier time. Ovechkin, who turned 35 in September, has 706 career goals. With over 30 games remaining in the regular season, Ovi has a … As many felt at one point that breaking Gretzky’s record of … I know their's going to be people who say "but he doesn't have the most goals", but discussions like this need context. save. 1 year ago. 99, who is No. If Ovechkin continues to produce over multiple seasons, he could potentially challenge Wayne Gretzky, whose 894 goals in 1,487 games (.60 goals per game) are the most in NHL history. Yes, Ovechkin trails Gretzky by more points than he's accumulated over a 15-year career. Yes the players sticks have gotten better and all of that jazz, it's still harder today. How did they perform relative to their peers? ... so many of those goals were like a pass into the net too. If he stays healthy and doesn't have a huge drop in production or an injury he'll probably go down as the best. The coronavirus pandemic, however, may ruin Ovechkin's chance of reaching Gretzky's record, thus robbing the NHL of what was sure to be an epic pursuit of one of its biggest records. If Ovechkin gets to 56 goals this season, he would be at 714 goals for his career in seventh place all-time and in close range of Phil Esposito‘s 717 goals in sixth place. Archived. Add a fifth season, and the average goals required per season for Ovechkin to pass Gretzky drops to 37. Ovechkin, who … No. My bias tells my answer to this so I’ll leave it to people who are less biased than me. IMO, Gretzky's the greatest. Gretzky is #1 all time PPG, 1.92, Ovechkin sits at 20th, 1.12. But if we take Ovechkin's 65 goal season and see he scored 13 more goals than the next guy, about 25% more (there could be an Ovie season with a better spread than that, I'm not sure) and we compare it to Gretzky's 92-goal performance in which the second-best guy scored 64 goals, and we see he scored 43% more than the next guy. Gretzky did things you couldn't believe. Side-by-side: Gretzky was a sniper who possessed one of the most accurate slap shots the world has ever seen, while Ovechkin is a volume shooter and the best power-play goal scorer of all time. Odds To Win Great One vs Great Eight Showcase. Ovechkin’s year-to-year numbers as far as goals go pale to Gretzky’s best seasons. And the fact is, the vast majority of people on here never saw Gretzky play, and certainly not in his prime, so you're basing your opinion on a handful of YouTube clips or hockey-reference tables. For me Ovi is the greatest goalscorer. "He's been fairly healthy. Does he have what it takes? There's no direct comparison between those two numbers. For some comparison, Gretzky retired after his age-38 season (1998-99), and he did not score more than 25 goals in any of his final five seasons despite playing 80 or more games three times in that span. 8 Mark Messier (694 career goals) will cede that spot to Ovechkin in short order. Build your custom FanSided Daily email newsletter with news and analysis on Washington Capitals and all your favorite sports teams, TV shows, and more. To pass Gretzky? You think that Crosby is better than Gretzky? Even if he doesn’t pass Gretzky for the NHL goals record, Ovechkin can still make a decent argument as being the greatest goal-scorer ever. Chasing Gretzky, Alex Ovechkin could join 700-goal club against Avalanche ... Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window) ... “He’ll pass Gretzky. Archived. Absolutely not, in my opinion. If I'm not mistaken, Ovechkin should blow past the 600 goal mark this season. I think any discussion about who the "greatest" goalscorer is has to involve an assessment of the context in which the goals were scored – not just the sheer numbers – in order to make any sense. There's always a recency bias with these things. And yet they're also fundamentally similar. He has never missed more than 10 games in a season and has avoided suffering a career altering injury. Posted by 2 years ago. That puts him at 709 for his career, 185 behind Gretzky and 186 from passing him. If he were to play into his 40s, and as long as he’s healthy it’s possible, it’s virtually a foregone conclusion Ovechkin will pass Gretzky and top 900 career goals. Not saying that means anything because it was a different game then, but that’s nuts. 0. Close. It's incredible to contemplate, but Ovechkin's relentless scoring since he arrived in the NHL in 2005 has put Gretzky's all-time goal mark in jeopardy. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. ... With 1,242 career points, Ovechkin is 38th on the all-time list and is 1,615 behind Gretzky. That just means that scoring is up. “Yeah,” said No. Ovechkin passes Gretzky in all-time shots, has highest shots per game in NHL history. Wayne Gretzky sees a lot of himself in Alex Ovechkin, from the smile on his face each time he steps on the ice to his passion for scoring goals. 0. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images). For Ovechkin to pass … Your favorite teams, topics, and players all on your favorite mobile devices. Barring injury he should hit 700. As of Sunday, Ovechkin sits at 40 goals in 2019-20, and (again) 698 overall. I'd give it to Ovi, the era he plays in is a harder era to score. He needs 189 to pass Gretzky. Definitely,” Avalanche defenseman Nikita Zadorov of Ovechkin after Wednesday’s optional practice. While luck is always linked with health, Ovechkin’s work ethic and frame makes him seem, at times, indestructible. Wow, so Gretzky has 251 more goals on 1 less shot. Also, who knows how many more goals he'd have right now if he hadn't missed the first two seasons of his career because of age and the lockout. His 692 career goals tie him for ninth place with Steve Yzerman, and No. He and Brett are both pretty much locks as top 10 all time. I mean, if Ovechkin retired today, would anyone seriously think that guys like Mike Gartner and Dino Ciccarelli are greater goalscorers than him because they have more career goals? Hell, I only remember his last few seasons and I feel older than dirt on here. If you play that "what if" game, he certainly gets to 700 and possibly approaches Howes record at that time. Can Ovechkin pass Wayne Gretzky’s all time oal record? At 706 career goals, Ovechkin is still far from reaching Gretzky’s record. However, according to Sportsnet Stats, even if no more regular season games are played this season, it’s still well within the realm of reality that Ovechkin can surpass Gretzky. Dionne said he doesn't see a reason Ovechkin can't keep playing for at least that long. facebook twitter reddit link. Gretzky has no issues with the Capitals' star forward potentially breaking his regular-season goal-scoring record of 894. Wayne Gretzky, left, poses with Ovechkin at the 2006 NHL draft. Gretzky scored 894 goals in 1487 games, which comes out to .601 goals per game. 36% Upvoted. Ovechkin has 34 goals on the season so far and needs another 17 to pass Gartner for seventh all-time. According to ESPN , if he were to keep up his goal tally and not miss any games, Ovechkin would top Gretzky in 2023-2024, his age-38 season. This is the way to compare athletes across generations. He played in an era where goals were scored at a higher clip. VAN - NHL. Ovechkin’s per-game tally is just above Gretzky’s (.601), and given his ironman status — he hasn’t missed a game since 2016 — he has as good a chance as anyone will ever get to pass him. Billing it as the Great One vs the Great Eight Showcase, the betting lines on this affair are leaning heavily toward the much younger Ovechkin. Alex Ovechkin continued his assault on Wayne Gretzky’s career goals mark of 894 when he scored two goals against the Ottawa Senators on Friday night in a 5-3 victory. Collecting the Ovechkin – Gretzky projections. “Yeah,” said No. He'll need 217 more. But just wanna mention that iirc Bobby Hull is frequently considered the greatest goal scorer of all time, and he hasn't been mentioned once yet in this thread. The record is 894. UNIONDALE, NEW YORK - JANUARY 18: Alex Ovechkin #8 of the Washington Capitals celebrates his empty net goal against the New York Islanders which tied him with Steve Yzerman on the NHL all time goal scoring list at NYCB Live's Nassau Coliseum on January 18, 2020 in Uniondale, New York. Many of them will most certainly never be broken unless the NHL goes ahead and makes a dramatic rule change, like playing at four-on-four or removing offsides in an attempt to greatly improve scoring. Amazingly, there is a good argument that he wasn't even the best goal scorer in his family. Gretzky: 894 goals on 5,088 shots (17.6%); 204 power play goals; Ovechkin: 692 goals on 5,458 shots (12.7%); 258 power play goals 1 in all-time goals with 894 and Ovechkin has 706 and realistically has a shot at catching Gretzky if he can stay in one piece and doesn’t have a major injury. Ovechkin would need 337 goals to pass Gretzky's record of 894. I feel he’s already the greatest pure goal scorer of all time. Follow FanSided NHL for more news, analysis, opinion and unique coverage about hockey in all forms throughout the entire 2019-20 NHL season and beyond. Gretzky is #4 all time +/- at +520, Ovechkin is 240 spots behind at +95. Unlike Gretzky, he’s not liable to pass up a shot for an assist; Ovechkin has never led the league in assists.Greater Than the Great One, Regardless? Ovechkin will turn 38 before what would be a fourth season after this one (2023-24). share. Posted by. Gretzky is sitting atop the all time goals list, but could Ovechkin possibly challenge him? More specifically, he’d be 180 behind Gretzky’s 894 goals and 52 behind Jaromir Jagr for third all-time. At least not in terms of "what would a 50 goal scorer today score in 1985?". This would get him to 911 total goals for his career, which would pass Gretzky by 17. Those stats are very attainable. Alex Ovechkin closing in on Marcel Dionne for fifth on the all-time NHL goals list had Dionne pondering the natural question about how high the Washington Capitals forward can climb. No compromising unless someone like Gretzky comes around again and demolishes every fucking record. No ones breaking Gretzky’s record. Wayne Gretzky is the best goal scorer and passer of all time. The context is comparing them relative to what they did to the rest of their leagues. 888. This thread is archived. It will be a tall task for Ovechkin to become the NHL’s all-time goal scorer. If Ovechkin stays on this pace with the same games he would score 930 career goals. hide. CGY - NHL. Gretzky and Ovechkin will face off in a best-of-three series. Can 'The Great 8' overtake 'The Great … Ovi is a prohibitive -300 odds-on favorite in the opening line. The Capitals defeated the Islanders 6-4. Ovechkin has 658 goals to date needing 237 to surpass Gretzky’s goal record of 894. 0. No. If he can average 32 goals-per-season in the next six seasons, he will pass Gretzky’s record. There's a reason you don't have people in here championing Joe Malone or Babe Dye. Close. This means 6 seasons of 40 goals. The Capitals have already played 55 … I don't think counting stats can be fairly compared, era-to-era. None of us saw them. He’s second in the league in shots this year with 224, with a shooting percentage (15.2 percent) right in line with last year (15.1 percent). He'd stop after that, and maybe play a year in another league. 2 years ago. But breaking down the numbers and allowing for some rare longevity makes it feel possible, as one of the best pure goal scorers in league history makes a run at what has been considered an unbreakable record. If he were to play into his 40s, and as long as he’s healthy it’s possible, it’s virtually a foregone conclusion Ovechkin will pass Gretzky and top 900 career goals. Gretzky topped that four times, with 71, 73, 87 and 92 goals scored. Gretzky at his peak probably had the best single season goalscoring performances ever, but across his career his goal totals dropped a bit more drastically than his point totals did towards the end, so I think if Ovechkin can keep having 40 goal seasons and end on a 30 he'll be considered the best goalscorer in history, if he doesn't it'll be a close race with both sides being arguable. Marcel Dionne says records are meant to be broken. Can Alex Ovechkin pass Wayne Gretzky on the NHL's all-time goals list? He's second behind Jagr in active leaders for goals, and Jagr has been playing for an extra 10+ years. Gretzky: 894 goals on 5,088 shots (17.6%); 204 power play goals; Ovechkin: 692 goals on 5,458 shots (12.7%); 258 power play goals Can it he do it? Ovechkin of Capitals can challenge NHL goals record, Dionne says. nhl.com . So, as of March 25, Ovechkin has 720 goals. I feel like Gretzky … He has an argument for when you account for era. The game is just miles ahead of where it was when he played, etc. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I don't even know if there's video of them playing hockey. Gretzky at his peak probably had the best single season goalscoring performances ever, but across his career his goal totals dropped a bit more drastically than his point totals did towards the end, so I think if Ovechkin can keep having 40 goal seasons and end on a 30 he'll be considered the best goalscorer in history, if he doesn't it'll be a close race with both sides being arguable. He may play longer than 2 years but his priorities are a little different. From the start of his NHL career, Johnson said, Ovechkin has been the physical, jocular, fun-loving powerhouse who seeks to impose his will in 45-second bursts. And every year that passes, there will be fewer people that think that, and I'm OK with it. is starting up again. Bird takes a deep look into the numbers as The Great Alexander Ovechkin approaches the All Time Goal Spot. Washington Capitals news from FanSided Daily, HBO makes Curb Your Enthusiasm great again with gut-busting season 10 premiere, UFC Raleigh: Curtis Blaydes vs. Gretzky’s trophy case and list of records is insane. Given his age, the team he plays on, his history of not missing much time to injury, as well as his overall skill and passion for the game – yes, Ovechkin can very well pass Gretzky in the record books. 99, who is No. Ovechkin has played the majority of his career in one of the most goal-starved era's in NHL history and is still likely to get 700+ goals. “He’ll pass Gretzky. Then there's Gretzky. Posted by. Ovechkin's best season was 65 goals. report. 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